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		By: ProfKeith		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-22014</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 15:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-21998&quot;&gt;Margaret Stec&lt;/a&gt;.

Just emotions Margaret.
Milk is designed for baby calves. I makes them gain 200-300 lbs. weight in just a few short months.
NOT good for human babies.
In fact people do not gain tolerance to milk as you suggest. The starving Africans and Asians have no lactase and get very sick with milk.
Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-21998">Margaret Stec</a>.</p>
<p>Just emotions Margaret.<br />
Milk is designed for baby calves. I makes them gain 200-300 lbs. weight in just a few short months.<br />
NOT good for human babies.<br />
In fact people do not gain tolerance to milk as you suggest. The starving Africans and Asians have no lactase and get very sick with milk.<br />
Sorry.</p>
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		By: Margaret Stec		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m deaply disapointed at Dr. Keith opinion especially by calling milk crap.I guess you earn too much money and you forgot about hungry people in the world. Many would be deeply greatful too anyone offering them milk so their child can stays alive.I just don&#039;t waste time listening to your &quot;shaw offs&quot;.I&#039;ve never was hungry in my life even one day thanks too food available to all.Simple food is best food regardles what  fancy names you use.If people use it for centuries ,like the milk,they get tolerance to it.The problem is the body does not start to produced enzymes by itself untill the mom does  introduce the enzymes to her baby by munching food first in her mouth than offering it to baby.Remember the yeast dough,the professionals call it &quot;starter&quot;.Same idea.There is more to it but you are the reasercher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m deaply disapointed at Dr. Keith opinion especially by calling milk crap.I guess you earn too much money and you forgot about hungry people in the world. Many would be deeply greatful too anyone offering them milk so their child can stays alive.I just don&#8217;t waste time listening to your &#8220;shaw offs&#8221;.I&#8217;ve never was hungry in my life even one day thanks too food available to all.Simple food is best food regardles what  fancy names you use.If people use it for centuries ,like the milk,they get tolerance to it.The problem is the body does not start to produced enzymes by itself untill the mom does  introduce the enzymes to her baby by munching food first in her mouth than offering it to baby.Remember the yeast dough,the professionals call it &#8220;starter&#8221;.Same idea.There is more to it but you are the reasercher.</p>
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		By: dave		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19944</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of items of interest.   I did a quick serach for TB and milk and found a link to a NY Times article from 1895:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB0910FE355911738DDDA00894D9415B8585F0D3
The Gist is at this time there were a lot of TB deaths; This article reports that the TB transmission mechanism theory was shifting from person to person airborne transmission and toward consuming milk from infected milch cows.  The solution suggested (and implemented successfully at some farms) was cleanliness with testing herds and culling infected cows.  Surprisingly Pasteurization was not mentioned - and the airborne transmission of TB seems to be the current fear ( note the recent scare when a TB patient flew on an airline).

Second interesting item is Dr. Pottinger&#039;s Cats.  He was investigating diets and found that cats fed a large percentage of their diets as pasteurized milk had severe health problems in a few generations; this did not happen in cats with raw milk diets.  There are some issues with his data/methods that critics have pointed out.  I would like to see if his results could be duplicated under more controlled conditions, and then there is the issue of relating results in cats to people.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of items of interest.   I did a quick serach for TB and milk and found a link to a NY Times article from 1895:<br />
<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB0910FE355911738DDDA00894D9415B8585F0D3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB0910FE355911738DDDA00894D9415B8585F0D3</a><br />
The Gist is at this time there were a lot of TB deaths; This article reports that the TB transmission mechanism theory was shifting from person to person airborne transmission and toward consuming milk from infected milch cows.  The solution suggested (and implemented successfully at some farms) was cleanliness with testing herds and culling infected cows.  Surprisingly Pasteurization was not mentioned &#8211; and the airborne transmission of TB seems to be the current fear ( note the recent scare when a TB patient flew on an airline).</p>
<p>Second interesting item is Dr. Pottinger&#8217;s Cats.  He was investigating diets and found that cats fed a large percentage of their diets as pasteurized milk had severe health problems in a few generations; this did not happen in cats with raw milk diets.  There are some issues with his data/methods that critics have pointed out.  I would like to see if his results could be duplicated under more controlled conditions, and then there is the issue of relating results in cats to people&#8230;..</p>
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		By: ProfKeith		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19826</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19812&quot;&gt;Sunshine&lt;/a&gt;.

Sunshine, where did you get your information?
What about the epidemics (actually endemic) of killer Brucollosis from milk?
What about the epidemic/endemic of TB? (as a med student, I was still seeing bodies rotten from TB caused by raw milk on farms)
It&#039;s bovine TB and no question of where it came from. Tuberculin testing of cattle herds was a great step forward in preventing deaths.
Why do you think Pasteur and Claude Bernard (who were colleagues, whatever you read from stupid websites) both worked on the development of pasteurization?
Just for fun? Because there wasn&#039;t a problem?
They did it because milk was killing millions.
Also, if you have followed me as you say, you must have missed my take on osteoporosis:
milk is almost the whole cause of osteoporosis. Elderly Chinese women, who drink no milk, have never heard of osteoporosis.
US women, with the highest dairy intake in the world, have the highest incidence of osteoporosis.
Fracture of the femur kills more women in the USA than breast cancer.
Facts, Sunshine. Facts, we can only talk facts, not prejudices.
There is safety in facts. Mine is not an opinion. It&#039;s facts. Prejudices kill.
BTW you can download my booklet on osteoporosis free from this link: http://www.informed-wellness.com/osteoporosis2.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19812">Sunshine</a>.</p>
<p>Sunshine, where did you get your information?<br />
What about the epidemics (actually endemic) of killer Brucollosis from milk?<br />
What about the epidemic/endemic of TB? (as a med student, I was still seeing bodies rotten from TB caused by raw milk on farms)<br />
It&#8217;s bovine TB and no question of where it came from. Tuberculin testing of cattle herds was a great step forward in preventing deaths.<br />
Why do you think Pasteur and Claude Bernard (who were colleagues, whatever you read from stupid websites) both worked on the development of pasteurization?<br />
Just for fun? Because there wasn&#8217;t a problem?<br />
They did it because milk was killing millions.<br />
Also, if you have followed me as you say, you must have missed my take on osteoporosis:<br />
milk is almost the whole cause of osteoporosis. Elderly Chinese women, who drink no milk, have never heard of osteoporosis.<br />
US women, with the highest dairy intake in the world, have the highest incidence of osteoporosis.<br />
Fracture of the femur kills more women in the USA than breast cancer.<br />
Facts, Sunshine. Facts, we can only talk facts, not prejudices.<br />
There is safety in facts. Mine is not an opinion. It&#8217;s facts. Prejudices kill.<br />
BTW you can download my booklet on osteoporosis free from this link: <a href="http://www.informed-wellness.com/osteoporosis2.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.informed-wellness.com/osteoporosis2.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Sunshine		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19812</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 05:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19806&quot;&gt;ProfKeith&lt;/a&gt;.

Prof Keith, I don&#039;t think that Jane is being naive.  I am troubled by some of your responses to your readers.  I am thinking that you may need to tone it down just a wee bit.  We appreciate your research.  However, if it&#039;s a fact, as you say, that pasteurization has only been taking place for approximately the last 150 years, then I have a question.  What happened to all of the millions of folks who drank raw milk for the thousands of years before pasteurization came on the scene?  

It stands to reason that we must take a balanced and more thorough look at this issue.  The fact is, it wasn&#039;t an issue before pasteurization came about.  I think way more is being made out of this than is necessary, according to the facts.  The truth is, a &quot;one size fits all&quot; attitude toward dairy, be it raw or otherwise, and any other food for that matter, is definitely not scientific nor prudent.  Different things work for diffrent people.  Our bodies are not all the same.  It could be that modern practices are some of the very reasons that there are issues with dairy, for some, in the first place.  The point is safety first.  If safe practices are being properly used, then what are the issues with this, I mean really?  The truth is that there have been people who have used raw milk for millenia and there has never been any documented epidemic from people consuming it.  Now that is a fact.  There are and have been deadly microbes in many types of foods, including vegetables and fruits.  Cleanliness, the diets of the animals and safety first is key.  Thank God that after you may have consumed the raw milk that was delivered to the farm you grew up on as a child, that you are still with us.  We still love your articles.  Keep em coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19806">ProfKeith</a>.</p>
<p>Prof Keith, I don&#8217;t think that Jane is being naive.  I am troubled by some of your responses to your readers.  I am thinking that you may need to tone it down just a wee bit.  We appreciate your research.  However, if it&#8217;s a fact, as you say, that pasteurization has only been taking place for approximately the last 150 years, then I have a question.  What happened to all of the millions of folks who drank raw milk for the thousands of years before pasteurization came on the scene?  </p>
<p>It stands to reason that we must take a balanced and more thorough look at this issue.  The fact is, it wasn&#8217;t an issue before pasteurization came about.  I think way more is being made out of this than is necessary, according to the facts.  The truth is, a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; attitude toward dairy, be it raw or otherwise, and any other food for that matter, is definitely not scientific nor prudent.  Different things work for diffrent people.  Our bodies are not all the same.  It could be that modern practices are some of the very reasons that there are issues with dairy, for some, in the first place.  The point is safety first.  If safe practices are being properly used, then what are the issues with this, I mean really?  The truth is that there have been people who have used raw milk for millenia and there has never been any documented epidemic from people consuming it.  Now that is a fact.  There are and have been deadly microbes in many types of foods, including vegetables and fruits.  Cleanliness, the diets of the animals and safety first is key.  Thank God that after you may have consumed the raw milk that was delivered to the farm you grew up on as a child, that you are still with us.  We still love your articles.  Keep em coming.</p>
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		By: ProfKeith		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19806</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19804&quot;&gt;jane&lt;/a&gt;.

A bit naive Jane,
I remember the milkman. In cities they only delivered pasteurized (named for Louis Pasteur, it&#039;s been around for 150 years).
I was raised on a farm in the country and there we had raw milk delivered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19804">jane</a>.</p>
<p>A bit naive Jane,<br />
I remember the milkman. In cities they only delivered pasteurized (named for Louis Pasteur, it&#8217;s been around for 150 years).<br />
I was raised on a farm in the country and there we had raw milk delivered.</p>
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		By: jane		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19804&quot;&gt;jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Having said all of the above, I don&#039;t even drink milk, lol, but I don&#039;t like to discount other people&#039;s experiences. I think raw milk drinkers would be doing themselves a favor by limiting their consumption of it as well as other animal products, as high-quality as they may be. But if their bodies are better with animal products as Dr. Nicolas Gonzalez has found in a subset of the population he treats with leukemia and some other cancers. I would like to know what the Prof has to say about grass-fed butter and cream? Good topic overall. thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19804">jane</a>.</p>
<p>Having said all of the above, I don&#8217;t even drink milk, lol, but I don&#8217;t like to discount other people&#8217;s experiences. I think raw milk drinkers would be doing themselves a favor by limiting their consumption of it as well as other animal products, as high-quality as they may be. But if their bodies are better with animal products as Dr. Nicolas Gonzalez has found in a subset of the population he treats with leukemia and some other cancers. I would like to know what the Prof has to say about grass-fed butter and cream? Good topic overall. thanks.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Remember the milk man? I&#039;m too young to remember but I know he existed from the elder generations. And he would deliver Fresh RAW milk from the small, local dairies. Interestingly, we don&#039;t read about a scourge of infections and death from raw milk that happened during the era of raw milk delivery. People made out just fine, just like they did for millenia growing their own food or having it delivered from local neighborhood farms. 

Pasteurization came about for the convenience of the centralized (no longer small and local) BIG DA IRIES today so that their milk can stay on the supermarket shelf as long as possible. Sure, there&#039;s always a bigger chance of infection with any animal food (whether it&#039;s milk, eggs, or meat), which is why clean hygiene practice is hugely important. 

Even pasteurized milk goes bad if it&#039;s out of the fridge for too long, and infection and death can follow. If there&#039;s a big following of raw milk drinkers who say they are good with it, I tend to believe the truth of their many, cumulative experiences, rather than believing any one &quot;expert.&quot; Does that &quot;expert&quot; drink raw milk or have they, or is it just reading papers, not looking outside the ivory tower?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the milk man? I&#8217;m too young to remember but I know he existed from the elder generations. And he would deliver Fresh RAW milk from the small, local dairies. Interestingly, we don&#8217;t read about a scourge of infections and death from raw milk that happened during the era of raw milk delivery. People made out just fine, just like they did for millenia growing their own food or having it delivered from local neighborhood farms. </p>
<p>Pasteurization came about for the convenience of the centralized (no longer small and local) BIG DA IRIES today so that their milk can stay on the supermarket shelf as long as possible. Sure, there&#8217;s always a bigger chance of infection with any animal food (whether it&#8217;s milk, eggs, or meat), which is why clean hygiene practice is hugely important. </p>
<p>Even pasteurized milk goes bad if it&#8217;s out of the fridge for too long, and infection and death can follow. If there&#8217;s a big following of raw milk drinkers who say they are good with it, I tend to believe the truth of their many, cumulative experiences, rather than believing any one &#8220;expert.&#8221; Does that &#8220;expert&#8221; drink raw milk or have they, or is it just reading papers, not looking outside the ivory tower?</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19574&quot;&gt;ProfKeith&lt;/a&gt;.

I found this article on the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website.  It is enlightening on the CDC&#039;s use of raw &quot;dairy&quot; statistics.  Never forget Mark Twain&#039;s comment that there are lies, damned lies &#038; statistics.  This article makes me think that the CDC is using questionable statistics by attributing health problems caused by the soft raw cheese, queso fresco, to raw milk &#038; thus &quot;proving&quot; that raw milk is unhealthy.

&quot;http://farmtoconsumer.org/defending-raw-milk-against-cdc.htm?utm_source=FTCLDF+Digest+2012-03-13+March+blast&#038;utm_campaign=Digest+2012-03-15&#038;utm_medium=email&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/end-of-raw-milk-story/#comment-19574">ProfKeith</a>.</p>
<p>I found this article on the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website.  It is enlightening on the CDC&#8217;s use of raw &#8220;dairy&#8221; statistics.  Never forget Mark Twain&#8217;s comment that there are lies, damned lies &amp; statistics.  This article makes me think that the CDC is using questionable statistics by attributing health problems caused by the soft raw cheese, queso fresco, to raw milk &amp; thus &#8220;proving&#8221; that raw milk is unhealthy.</p>
<p>&#8220;http://farmtoconsumer.org/defending-raw-milk-against-cdc.htm?utm_source=FTCLDF+Digest+2012-03-13+March+blast&amp;utm_campaign=Digest+2012-03-15&amp;utm_medium=email&#8221;</p>
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		By: Nnamdi Agha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What an interesting topic on milk.
I came to your website through your free ebook, Nature&#039;s Healing Secret. My take on milk is to use it whichever way you like but, be prepared for whatever you get out of it, good or bad.
Regards,
Nnamdi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting topic on milk.<br />
I came to your website through your free ebook, Nature&#8217;s Healing Secret. My take on milk is to use it whichever way you like but, be prepared for whatever you get out of it, good or bad.<br />
Regards,<br />
Nnamdi.</p>
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