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		By: Omar		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19437</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Prof Mumbi,
With great respect to all of those that contributed to this post. As mentioned I am even more confused.
I am not a doctor, scientist or medical proffesional.
Just an ordinary guy trying to make sense of how I can live a healthy life. I do my own reaserch, and often look at real examples by that I mean looking at communities or groups and how they manage to overcome disease. In South Africa part of our country is industrialized but in some rural areas, communities are still living off the land without the use of chemicals and factory farms etc.
You say that the Maasai are crawling around with syphillis.
I agree with you, but then we must also take into account what brought about this tragic state. 
Land was forcibly taken from them. Livelyhoods was destroyed and vast numbers are know living on western diets and in extreme poverty. These factors greatly contribute to disease and lifespan.
I was refering to the Maasai Nomads, that lived hundreds of years ago. Maasai that lived from the land, before industrialization, land grabs, vaccines and factory farming methods.
In South Africa we also have the Xhosa, Zulu and San tribes that were catlle farmers, outbreaks were unheard of. Until The displacement of huge quantities of people that  resulted in economies and food production systems being wrecked, and even till today a diagonal line can be drawn across Africa from the Atlantic Ocean on Angola&#039;s southern border to Sudan&#039;s border on the Red Sea. Not even taking into account wars elsewhere on the continent or natural disasters such as drought and floods. 

I have steered clear from all forms of milk, until I have my own cows that eat and live from the land, house and milked in 100% clean facilities.

My 2 cents worth, If a cows milk can do so much harm then should we not look at why the milk of these animals are so full of pathogens? Could it be farming methods, the food they are fed, the vaccines, the environment and unhygienic conditions they live in, The facilities and methods of milking and storage of the products, food additives etc. Mad cow disease etc.
Dr Bill Deagle once said he would close down every single hospital in the USA because they are riddled with virus and disease.
Now imagine what he would do with the milk industry and present day cattle farmers .
Is this not case of shooting down the cow to hide our own ignorance.
Here in my country South Africa on the Cape Flats and townships, where unemployment is extremely high, where people have no land, living on pennies a day, living in subeconomic housing, we have the highest rate of TB in the world.
These people can least afford milk and very seldom if ever consume milk, 70% of daily diets consist of bread and maize meal, this I have seen with my own eyes.

Then we have women in rural areas that runs orphanages. Because of lack of funding they decided to cultivate the land bring in livestock that also feed from the land. Feed these orphans, organic veggies, raw milk and poultry and in turn reversed many if not all forms of disease from these orphans. Yes and they do drink raw milk with cereals for breakfast. 

What about goat and camels milk consumed by the Taureg tribe and many other nomadic peoples on the African continent.
Lastly colostrum, cows, goat and camel?
Any views scientific literature welcome.

I come in Peace
I leave in Peace.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Prof Mumbi,<br />
With great respect to all of those that contributed to this post. As mentioned I am even more confused.<br />
I am not a doctor, scientist or medical proffesional.<br />
Just an ordinary guy trying to make sense of how I can live a healthy life. I do my own reaserch, and often look at real examples by that I mean looking at communities or groups and how they manage to overcome disease. In South Africa part of our country is industrialized but in some rural areas, communities are still living off the land without the use of chemicals and factory farms etc.<br />
You say that the Maasai are crawling around with syphillis.<br />
I agree with you, but then we must also take into account what brought about this tragic state.<br />
Land was forcibly taken from them. Livelyhoods was destroyed and vast numbers are know living on western diets and in extreme poverty. These factors greatly contribute to disease and lifespan.<br />
I was refering to the Maasai Nomads, that lived hundreds of years ago. Maasai that lived from the land, before industrialization, land grabs, vaccines and factory farming methods.<br />
In South Africa we also have the Xhosa, Zulu and San tribes that were catlle farmers, outbreaks were unheard of. Until The displacement of huge quantities of people that  resulted in economies and food production systems being wrecked, and even till today a diagonal line can be drawn across Africa from the Atlantic Ocean on Angola&#8217;s southern border to Sudan&#8217;s border on the Red Sea. Not even taking into account wars elsewhere on the continent or natural disasters such as drought and floods. </p>
<p>I have steered clear from all forms of milk, until I have my own cows that eat and live from the land, house and milked in 100% clean facilities.</p>
<p>My 2 cents worth, If a cows milk can do so much harm then should we not look at why the milk of these animals are so full of pathogens? Could it be farming methods, the food they are fed, the vaccines, the environment and unhygienic conditions they live in, The facilities and methods of milking and storage of the products, food additives etc. Mad cow disease etc.<br />
Dr Bill Deagle once said he would close down every single hospital in the USA because they are riddled with virus and disease.<br />
Now imagine what he would do with the milk industry and present day cattle farmers .<br />
Is this not case of shooting down the cow to hide our own ignorance.<br />
Here in my country South Africa on the Cape Flats and townships, where unemployment is extremely high, where people have no land, living on pennies a day, living in subeconomic housing, we have the highest rate of TB in the world.<br />
These people can least afford milk and very seldom if ever consume milk, 70% of daily diets consist of bread and maize meal, this I have seen with my own eyes.</p>
<p>Then we have women in rural areas that runs orphanages. Because of lack of funding they decided to cultivate the land bring in livestock that also feed from the land. Feed these orphans, organic veggies, raw milk and poultry and in turn reversed many if not all forms of disease from these orphans. Yes and they do drink raw milk with cereals for breakfast. </p>
<p>What about goat and camels milk consumed by the Taureg tribe and many other nomadic peoples on the African continent.<br />
Lastly colostrum, cows, goat and camel?<br />
Any views scientific literature welcome.</p>
<p>I come in Peace<br />
I leave in Peace.</p>
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		By: Mojca		</title>
		<link>https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19433</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19343&quot;&gt;Sue&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the case with my soon as well. He started to sleep 100% taken off pasteurised milk and put on raw fermented organic milk. I&#039;m a scientist, too, and I love to debunk flaud studies. There are many such on milk, nutrition, autism, vaccines,... Autism cannot be healed only regarding this milk issue. Brains have to be detoxified and then nerves regrown and restored with the help of certain foods (not milk, but milk helps in all the processes, especially unprocessed butter). Prof. Keith, I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s all propaganda lie, I admire your work, I have your Diet Wise book and many other of your writtings, I agree it&#039;s prudent to take a child off milk at first to see the effect, but then to informe onself about raw milk and its possiblities regarding healt. I&#039;m LLL Leader and I see kids, alergic to milk, become non-alergic over night when there mothers start using raw fermented organic milk for their use or for the early solid introduction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19343">Sue</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the case with my soon as well. He started to sleep 100% taken off pasteurised milk and put on raw fermented organic milk. I&#8217;m a scientist, too, and I love to debunk flaud studies. There are many such on milk, nutrition, autism, vaccines,&#8230; Autism cannot be healed only regarding this milk issue. Brains have to be detoxified and then nerves regrown and restored with the help of certain foods (not milk, but milk helps in all the processes, especially unprocessed butter). Prof. Keith, I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s all propaganda lie, I admire your work, I have your Diet Wise book and many other of your writtings, I agree it&#8217;s prudent to take a child off milk at first to see the effect, but then to informe onself about raw milk and its possiblities regarding healt. I&#8217;m LLL Leader and I see kids, alergic to milk, become non-alergic over night when there mothers start using raw fermented organic milk for their use or for the early solid introduction.</p>
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		By: ProfKeith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19325&quot;&gt;Dr Eliezer Ben-Joseph&lt;/a&gt;.

No I am not Eliezer. People DIE of raw milk for Christ&#039;s sake.
Brucellosis and TB are NOT eliminated by feeding cows on nice sweet grass. That&#039;s naive. Read all the comments. There are good people, like you, on this blog who wouldn&#039;t touch the stuff.
Drop the propaganda and emotional reaction and go read www.notmilk.com
My whole point is that nobody should swallow ANY milk. The idea that leaving it raw protects from inflammation, food allergy, ADD/ADHD, Crohn&#039;s, colitis, etc is just absolute nonsense. I&#039;m talking from over 30 years of clinical experience, not with wishful thinking of the alternative field.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19325">Dr Eliezer Ben-Joseph</a>.</p>
<p>No I am not Eliezer. People DIE of raw milk for Christ&#8217;s sake.<br />
Brucellosis and TB are NOT eliminated by feeding cows on nice sweet grass. That&#8217;s naive. Read all the comments. There are good people, like you, on this blog who wouldn&#8217;t touch the stuff.<br />
Drop the propaganda and emotional reaction and go read <a href="http://www.notmilk.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.notmilk.com</a><br />
My whole point is that nobody should swallow ANY milk. The idea that leaving it raw protects from inflammation, food allergy, ADD/ADHD, Crohn&#8217;s, colitis, etc is just absolute nonsense. I&#8217;m talking from over 30 years of clinical experience, not with wishful thinking of the alternative field.</p>
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		By: ProfKeith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19332&quot;&gt;danny&lt;/a&gt;.

Love it! I don&#039;t think we eat enough of it for it to be a health issue.
It&#039;s foods like milk and wheat that we eat by the ton/gallons that add up to harm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19332">danny</a>.</p>
<p>Love it! I don&#8217;t think we eat enough of it for it to be a health issue.<br />
It&#8217;s foods like milk and wheat that we eat by the ton/gallons that add up to harm.</p>
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		By: graham		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stopped drinking pasteurised milk and drastically reduced my gluten intake (mainly bread)  over 3 years ago and found within no time that the acne on my back that had plagued me for years virtually disappeared overnight.  My latest hair analysis showed my mineral ratios within the normal range.  These ratios were way out of kilter 3 years ago.  I found eating more magnesium rich foods helped my health tremendously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped drinking pasteurised milk and drastically reduced my gluten intake (mainly bread)  over 3 years ago and found within no time that the acne on my back that had plagued me for years virtually disappeared overnight.  My latest hair analysis showed my mineral ratios within the normal range.  These ratios were way out of kilter 3 years ago.  I found eating more magnesium rich foods helped my health tremendously.</p>
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		By: Shannon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with you that milk, in any form, is a crappy food and I haven&#039;t touched the stuff in many years.  However, I&#039;m wondering what you think I should feed my 2-month old son.  He&#039;s allergic to my milk and I&#039;m giving him infant formula for lack of other options, but if you have suggestions, I&#039;d like to know what they are, because I&#039;m not comfortable with giving him anything that&#039;s dairy-based.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that milk, in any form, is a crappy food and I haven&#8217;t touched the stuff in many years.  However, I&#8217;m wondering what you think I should feed my 2-month old son.  He&#8217;s allergic to my milk and I&#8217;m giving him infant formula for lack of other options, but if you have suggestions, I&#8217;d like to know what they are, because I&#8217;m not comfortable with giving him anything that&#8217;s dairy-based.</p>
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		By: Sue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19310&quot;&gt;ProfKeith&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sure they improve when taken off milk......pasteurised milk, that is! Any &quot;scientific&quot; study that lumps raw and pasteurised milk in together will obviously have skewed findings. We&#039;re talking about two different products. Pasteurised milk has had all the essential enzymes killed off for a start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://alternative-doctor.com/sobering-facts-debunk-the-raw-milk-myth/#comment-19310">ProfKeith</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they improve when taken off milk&#8230;&#8230;pasteurised milk, that is! Any &#8220;scientific&#8221; study that lumps raw and pasteurised milk in together will obviously have skewed findings. We&#8217;re talking about two different products. Pasteurised milk has had all the essential enzymes killed off for a start.</p>
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		By: danny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[prof keith what is your take on almond milk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prof keith what is your take on almond milk?</p>
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		By: Marten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being critical is a right!!! Being honest is a moral obligation...Being in denial is a mental illness....Just a thought!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being critical is a right!!! Being honest is a moral obligation&#8230;Being in denial is a mental illness&#8230;.Just a thought!!!</p>
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		By: Dr Eliezer Ben-Joseph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Eliezer Ben-Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is another link that shows the bios in the scientific reporting and the inaccuracies of the reports when it comes to milk.  It is pasteurized milk that is dangerous and not raw milk.  Doc, you are misreading the CDC reports. 

http://www.realmilk.com/documents/ResponsetoInfectiousClinicalDiseaseArticle.pdf
RESPONSE TO ANTI-RAW MILK ARTICLE Published in Clinical Infectious Diseases, January 2009 Prepared by The Weston A. Price Foundation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another link that shows the bios in the scientific reporting and the inaccuracies of the reports when it comes to milk.  It is pasteurized milk that is dangerous and not raw milk.  Doc, you are misreading the CDC reports. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.realmilk.com/documents/ResponsetoInfectiousClinicalDiseaseArticle.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.realmilk.com/documents/ResponsetoInfectiousClinicalDiseaseArticle.pdf</a><br />
RESPONSE TO ANTI-RAW MILK ARTICLE Published in Clinical Infectious Diseases, January 2009 Prepared by The Weston A. Price Foundation</p>
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